Sunday, 19 April 2009

Vote in our unofficial poll

Vote in our unofficial poll Yes/ No/ or Not Bothered

28 comments:

Dave said...

I live in Melton road so of course this is an issue for me - however I am likely to vote against the scheme as none of my concerns seem to be answered - these are:

• How much will I have to pay for the privilege of parking outside my own house on top of road tax?
• What about households with more than one car?
• What happens when I have visitors?

Also I feel that a better tact would be to put pressure on Midland Mainline to provide reasonably priced parking – or to get a decent car-park incorporated in the expansion plans at the end of mill road. Have any of these avenues been followed?

Martin said...

As a resident of Talbot Road for the past seven years I have never really had a problem parking outside my house, occasionally I have to park across the street, but thats no problem. I work from home so am in and out all day, I really don't think it's a problem.

Is someone constantly taking your parking space? I can't really see the issue.

Also if I have friends round for the weekend I wouldn't want them to be ticketed for parking in the near vicinity of my house during the day.

In an earlier post you have a title "just 50p a week", do you mean I have to pay for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist for me?

Whenever I travel by train I try to find alternate parking rather than paying the extortionate prices charged by rail companies, I am sure you do to.

What harm does it do anyway? so maybe you have to walk twenty seconds to the front door... the exercise is good for you. Your car isn't outside your house? it's outside someone elses which is as much of a deterrent.

Besides I don't want anymore ugly signs littering our already grubby and downtrodden streets.

Dave said...

Martin

This is my first post - I have not posted before - the post I am responding to the post "vote in our unofficial post" the post "just 50p is not mine either"

If you read my post again you will see that I am with you i.e. against the proposed scheme!!!!!

Anyway - looks like these CARSAG guys are going to be dropping us all in it - I am pretty sure its only the pro-scheme people who are active on this issue - I reckon I could get 50% of Melton Road to say no - how do you see things in Talbot?

Martin said...

Hi Dave, I was responding to the CARSAG people themselves, not yourself, and I fully agree with all your points made in your original post.

Times are hard, and I for one do not want to voluntarily subscribe to another tax for the right to park in my own street.

Talbot Road hasn't got a problem with parking, the skoda garage causes more of a problem than the commuters, parking his 20 odd cars on the street. No-one down here will bother to vote as it isn't a problem, even though with the alley from Mill Road to the Station we are probably the closest parking available.

Waste of time and money if you ask my opinion.

Martin said...

Nice to see that the CARSAG people have relied to our comments placed 3 days ago...?

Martin said...

apologies, that was meant to read 'replied' not 'relied'

Badpeg said...

I live in Senwick Drive, and have noticed over the last few months that the number of "extra" cars parked in the area has grown.
While I agree on the fact that we need to do something to try and solve this problem, this proposed scheme is the wrong way to go about it.

Why the hell should I have to pay to do something that I already have the right to do?
I pay all my taxes, road tax included, and that, as far as Im aware gives me the right to park outside my own house.
Ok, so its only 50p a week, but in my world called "Reality" its still £25 per car per year.
We have 2 cars, therefore we would have to have 2 permits.
I have one car space outside my house that I OWN!
But I would still have to have 2 permits incase one of us needed to park infront of the house and the other one didnt. So thats %50 per year.
Then theres also the fact that prices for everything in this world go up 99.9% of the time, and if anyone thinks for one second that the price for this service will remain at the current level for long is quite frankly bonkers.
How long would it be until we would have to pay £50 per car per year?
1 year? 2???
Dont forget, that the £25 is a trial run. The letter from the counci says that it will be reviewed after the 1st year....and we all know what happens when councils "review" things dont we?? My council tax has gone up by ridiculous amounts every year, and yet the service I recieve from the bin men seems to reduce just as rapidly!

I warn everyone now who is thinking of saying yes to this....think before you vote. Yes it sounds reasonable now, but will you be as happy in 5 years time when you are paying £50+ for each car you own to do something that you have the right to do already for free.

Get to the root of the problem first. The car park at the train station. They are the cause of this, so they are the ones who should be forced to solve it.
They must realise that their custom has reduced. Drop their prices and custom will increase...sounds logical doesnt it?
And I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that the council were the governing authority of the car park anyhow.....?
So why would they be against this scheme? They will be making money hand over fist, and we end up paying twice for the same outcome.

Badpeg said...

Nice to see that someone so passionate about this is replying to everyones comments!
They send someone round to your house with a letter telling you to come on here and talk out your opinions, then they totally ignore it.

melissa said...

melissa melton road

Since recieving the consultation documents i have many unanswered questions:

What provisions will be made for visitors who want or need to stay more than 2 hours?
Visitors who come to stay on a friday night will have to leave by 9am on saturday morning, what if they are staying for the whole weekend, will they have to drive around until 2pm? or will parking meeters be installed at added expense?
i have recently moved here from london and have experienced first hand about permits, it is very easy to loose track of time and end up with a hefty parking fine,
what if my boiler breaks down and i need a plumber to stay longer than 2 hours do i have to tell them to come at 12pm, i really dont want to be restricted in this way!!
the permit scheme will be permanent and could efffect us for many years to come, in the letter it promotes the advantages more so than the negatives which i think is unfair, i really cant believe an independeant meeting hasnt been organised by the council to air all views
i will be emailing the council with alll of my concerns
i ageree strongly with daves comment about putting pressue on midland mainline, i think its extremely unfair to displace this problem to neighbouring sreets, instead of getting to the root of the problem!!!

she ltd said...

Martin
Sorry I haven't replied to your post. I have had to deal with a loss in the family. When I get an opportunity I will respond to your comments in more detail.
Kevin...

she ltd said...

Badpeg
Sorry I haven't replied to your post. I have had to deal with a loss in the family. When I get an opportunity I will respond to your comments in more detail.
Kevin...

MrsKirche said...

Badpeg, how exactly do you own the space outside your home? (Unless you mean your drive, in which case you should consider your fellow residents who don't have that luxury.)

Owning our houses does not give us the right to park outside them - which is how I end up having to park 100s of yards from my front door, which was the direct cause of my car being broken into the other week.

People saying "Why should I care, I don't have a problem" sound rather lacking in community spirit. EMT are never going to address the problem as they make enough from their extortionate rail fares - we're just trying to get the Council to fully appreciate the issue (which is so bad on my street that had I known beforehand what it would be like, I may have thought harder about moving here).

Dave said...

MrsKirshe

I'm sorry but the reason your car was broken had nothing to do with where it is parked, it’s to do with the number of smack and crack heads we have living in our neighbourhood - maybe another forum could be used to gather the community together push these elements away as I have to when the little darlings are picking up from there dealers near the bottom of Melton road.

Anyway I digress – I don’t really think that anyone here doesn’t see this as an issue – it’s the solution that CARSAG has opted to push for that is the issue here and I feel that a more inclusive process would have been more productive, the first many people have heard of this is the option of a yes or no vote.

For example a FREE parking scheme taking into account the needs of people in our community – people with work vehicles, homes with more than one car, visitors, tradesmen etc etc could be an option and did anyone take any steps towards discussing the issue of provision of realistically priced parking with midland mainline or the council?

Badpeg said...

Mrs Kirche,

I sympathise with you over your car being broken into, as Ive had it done to me too many times to mention, although not at my present address.
However, I think you have gotten the wrong idea of my post.
I am fully aware of the problem we have in our area, and believe me, my attitude is not one of "Why should I care?"!

I simply think we would be better off in the long run if we could come to another soloution, and also that many people have not thought through or far enough ahead as to what a permit scheme will entail.

While they can be a great short term soloution, in the very near future we would be paying alot of money for what is essentially a money making scheme for the council.

s I said before, how long will it be until we end up paying £50 per car or more?
Would you be happy to pay £100 a year for 2 cars, for something you already have the right to do?

I tell you this, I would not.

Of course the council are up for the idea, they stand to make a heck of a lot of extra cash through it.
Think how many houses there are, then mutiply it by the number of vehicles we all own....it will run into hundreds of thousands of our hard earned pounds.

My main line of thinking on this whole matter is this.

We own/rent our properties.
We live in the area.
Others who cannot be bothered to find alternate ways of parking have now started to use our streets and parking areas for their own benefit.

Who is to blame for this?
The car park owners.
Who is going to pay for a soloution if this scheme goes ahead?????


Yep, US!

We didnt start this so why are we being punished for it?

The council have a responsibility to ADDRESS the issue, not add another part to the chain. That is what a council is for, they are there to serve us, not the other way around! That is what we pay them for.

Its typical of the council to let others solve the problems that they are responsible for starting.

On another note, you ask about my owning of my car space.
I do not have a private driveway, but we do have a tarmac area in our square, and I do own the patch outside my house. This was one of the reasons I bought my house. I own it. Why should I have to pay to park on my own property?
If you owned your house, would you pay an estate agent to live there as well as paying your mortgage??
Of course not. Likewise I WILL NOT be forced into paying the council yet another "tax" on my property.


I know its a lovely thought that if this goes ahead, you will be able to park closer to your home, but just think about the long term effects.
Like I said before, the cost of this will only go UP, not down.

We should try a different approach.

Anyhow, one thing I have yet to discover is what will happen to me if I refuse to participate?
Will my car be clamped on my own property?(thus leading to me counter sueing the council for tresspass and also willful damage to my car in the process ;) )
Will I be fined for something I didnt want in the first place?


In short, my argument is not "Why should I care?"

More "Why should I be punished for something thats NOT my fault?"

chelseagirl said...

It is ok for those of you that live further away from the station. As it is being done on a street by street basis, if the streets close to the station go for it, then you WILL have a problem as the parkers move further out. I hope you dont have the same problem that we have. I have a very young grandson and when i looked after him last week, i also did my weekly shop. When i got home i could not park anywhere near my house, and had to leave my shopping in the car for 5 hours until my husband came home as i could not leave him in the car while i moved the shopping, nor could i leave him in the house alone while i got the stuff from my car.
No one has the right to park outside their house. What i would like is to park in my STREET. Lowering the car park fees would be great, but we know that they arent going to do that. They have already been approached on that score.
I know someone on Senwick Road who has had 2 parking tickets for unloading furniture to take into his house. Think thats about £60. Makes a permit look pretty cheap. But I forget, you lot dont have yellow lines on your roads, and the three spaces available are taken by commuters from dawn onwards do you???? Never mind, if the scheme goes through here you will know what it is like.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Badpeg and Dave, I think Badpeg has said everything that needs to be said on the matter really, The main question is... How long until the Council starts needing to make up some "funding shortfalls" - and turns its attention to the mugs that actually offered to start paying to do something they should already have the right to do?

Just to make it crystal clear, I'm saying "No" :-)

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Getridofcommuters said...

I have lived in this area for nearly 20 years and we have always had a problem with commuters. The problem has gotten worse though the past 5 years. I completely agree with residents parking, I wish it was here already.
We have been subjected to verbal and physical abuse by certain commuters and have had to call the police out on a couple of occasions.
Bring on residents parking and get rid of the arrogant, selfish commuters.

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Getridofcommuters said...

To make it crystal clear, I'm not a mug and I have already voted yes. If this plan gets the go ahead maybe u will end up being the mug, maybe all these commuters will pile round your street, then you will have the full extent of this problem.

Anonymous said...

"Getridofcommuters" said:

"maybe u will end up being the mug"

I say:

Yes, Getridofcommuters - Perhaps I will end up being the mug. The mug that is, thats forced to go along with such a stupid idea... Brought about by real mugs like people such as yourself.

This parking permit idea simply treats the symptoms rather than the cause. If you can't see that I feel it pointless to continue talking to you.

Anonymous said...

While I'm here and signed in, I may as well just say...

Some bloody action group this is! Users: Dave, Badpeg and Martin for example have come on here to try and seek answers to some of their questions.

I see lots of questions and very few answers.

I suspect the people listed above feel they have just wasted their time by joining this... well, farse of a debate.

Action Group... Don't make me laugh!

Anonymous said...

It seems to me, the person running this (lack of) Action Group - Kevin Jones, has abandoned his own blog.

But then, taking a closer look... who can blame him!

Post: CARSAG needs you! - No Comments.

Post: 'Danger junction' needs to be safer - No Comments.

Post: Next CARSAG meeting details (with previous meetings minutes) - No Comments.

Post: We need you! - No Comments.

Post: Consultation - No Comments.

Post: Less than 50p a week - wow! 2 comments! one reply were questions being asked, the other saying that answers couldn't be given.

Post: Vote in our unofficial poll - 23 replies... overwhelmingly against the idea.

I wonder what Kevin Jones will have to say for himself (and indeed his sorry excuse for a debate) when the council come back and say the 'No' vote won out!

As I so surely believe they will.

Getridofcommuters said...

Palk road resident...u ain't got a clue, maybe u should try living a bit closer to the station then u will know exactly what hassle we get from the idiot commuters...u r 2 far away from station to get a real inpact.
I think its pointless talking to someone who doesn't actually have to live with this problem day in day out!

Anonymous said...

Getridofcommuters, I notice you don't actually mention where you live exactly.

If you don't feel Palk Road is close enough to the station why the hell are you dragging myself and my neighbours into your pathetic (and I suspect worthless) campaign??

The next person that puts a flyer through my door will, if I'm there at the time, know what I think very soon afterwards.

Oh, and Getridofcommuters - one last thing (columbo style!) You say "We have been subjected to verbal and physical abuse by certain commuters"

I do hope to meet them in a pub one day!

Getridofcommuters said...

You are laughable, i didn't drag you in to this campaign, the council did. If it was up to me you wouldn't have been dragged into it, it would just have been the roads that do have a problem with commuters.
And i hope you do meet the idiot that has caused so many problems down here, you might just find out what we have to put up with.

she ltd said...

Hello badpeg/ Martin/ Palk Road Resident/ Dave/ Martin/ Getridofcommuters et al

It's good to see so many comments... As you know I am all for the residents parking. I am willing to pay that little bit extra so that I can park somewhere near my house and not be "done" by the parking wardens. I believe I'm doing this for the benefit of the local residents. This is my opinion you are all entitled to your own. I don't appologise for this. I do appologise for not responding sooner. To put it bluntly I was organising Nans funeral. However I am back now. I haven't given up on this!! I am just off to go to another meeting regarding this.

Keep the comments coming good or bad :-)

Kevin
CARSAG...

Fartypooper said...

Hi Kevin

Heard that the council have approved residents parking for 8 roads in castle area, do you know which roads they are?